6 things about protein

[Scott]

6 things you need to know about protein
I thought this was worth a read, from Tnation so you may need to wash the advertising stank off you at the end but still worth looking at.

Talks about the 'does protein turn to crap if cooked with' and optimum levels of protein per meal...... you may be surpised!

[fits]

hey

i read that.

I am not convinced either what as yet. I wish you could cook with it, but I don't want to do it and then we read (again) that it does ruin it and i've been wasting time and money!

Some one needs to do a convincing study to put us out of our missery!

[Scott]

hey

i read that.

I am not convinced either what as yet. I wish you could cook with it, but I don't want to do it and then we read (again) that it does ruin it and i've been wasting time and money!

Some one needs to do a convincing study to put us out of our missery!

I didnt like the 'get out' line where he goes "its not like you'll be cooking with whey every meal so dont worry about it" ( not word for word). I dont buy it myself either.

the bit about protein intake :

forty grams didn't stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

what does that mean? anything over 20g at one go isnt used?

[Cookie]

the bit about protein intake :

forty grams didn't stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

what does that mean? anything over 20g at one go isnt used?

If there is any truth in that then it goes to show that Vince Gironda`s view of only eating 30 grams per meal to avoid waste was on the money

[Scott]

This year, Tarnopolsky's lab did a study (2) to examine the effect of how different dosages of egg protein powder affected protein synthesis rates. Researchers had healthy men who had previous weight training experience perform intense resistance exercise and consume an egg protein drink that contained either 5, 10, 20, or 40 grams of protein.

Basically, Lowery explained that researchers found that increasing protein intake stimulated protein synthesis in a dose dependent manner up to 20 grams of protein, after which there was no further increase in protein synthesis. In other words, forty grams didn't stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

Researchers speculated that consuming 20 grams of protein five or six times daily would be the optimal measure to increase anabolism and muscle mass.

the tests were on egg protein.

so does protein synthesis mean how much your body uses?

[Cookie]

the tests were on egg protein.

Which is the most complete protein around

so does protein synthesis mean how much your body uses?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_biosynthesis

[fits]

the bit about protein intake :

forty grams didn't stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

what does that mean? anything over 20g at one go isnt used?

If there is any truth in that then it goes to show that Vince Gironda`s view of only eating 30 grams per meal to avoid waste was on the money

Yep, it is strange, I have read gironda's stuff then forgotten it then gone back, he really was a legend! If you look at the Dave Palumbo diet he advocates a modern version of one of gironda's cutting diets, I have noticed Charles poliquin in his training methods and nutrition and supplement protocols, mirrors Gironda's stuff as well as many others!

I have seen it written before about actual studies about the 20g of protein argument. However, we are all different, and there are studies to show that 1g pf protein per lbs of bodyweight is what is best for maximal growth, now put that argument to the side for a moment, and lets just say we do need around 220g of protein for a 100kg man, in 20g per meal portions, your talking 11 meals in a day! if you have 50g post work out in a day because we know we can handle more post work out, that still leaves allot of meals......

I think it will depend on the foods your combining with the protein and the source of protein. We are meat eaters, and we have no way of storing protein like we do fats and carbs so we need a steady stream of them. You can't tell me that when we were hacking up animals back in the day to survive, that when we ate a huge chunk of meat and could only absorb 20g of protein form it?

[Cookie]

Yep, it is strange, I have read gironda's stuff then forgotten it then gone back, he really was a legend! If you look at the Dave Palumbo diet he advocates a modern version of one of gironda's cutting diets, I have noticed Charles poliquin in his training methods and nutrition and supplement protocols, mirrors Gironda's stuff as well as many others!

What goes around hey

I have seen it written before about actual studies about the 20g of protein argument. However, we are all different, and there are studies to show that 1g pf protein per lbs of bodyweight is what is best for maximal growth, now put that argument to the side for a moment, and lets just say we do need around 220g of protein for a 100kg man, in 20g per meal portions, your talking 11 meals in a day! if you have 50g post work out in a day because we know we can handle more post work out, that still leaves allot of meals......

I`ve seen Russian studies in the past that stated 1 gram of protein per 1 kilo of lean body weight & 1 gram per pound was for "assisted" athletes.

I think it will depend on the foods your combining with the protein and the source of protein. We are meat eaters, and we have no way of storing protein like we do fats and carbs so we need a steady stream of them. You can't tell me that when we were hacking up animals back in the day to survive, that when we ate a huge chunk of meat and could only absorb 20g of protein form it?

[fits]

Yep, it is strange, I have read gironda's stuff then forgotten it then gone back, he really was a legend! If you look at the Dave Palumbo diet he advocates a modern version of one of gironda's cutting diets, I have noticed Charles poliquin in his training methods and nutrition and supplement protocols, mirrors Gironda's stuff as well as many others!

What goes around hey

I have seen it written before about actual studies about the 20g of protein argument. However, we are all different, and there are studies to show that 1g pf protein per lbs of bodyweight is what is best for maximal growth, now put that argument to the side for a moment, and lets just say we do need around 220g of protein for a 100kg man, in 20g per meal portions, your talking 11 meals in a day! if you have 50g post work out in a day because we know we can handle more post work out, that still leaves allot of meals......

I`ve seen Russian studies in the past that stated 1 gram of protein per 1 kilo of lean body weight & 1 gram per pound was for "assisted" athletes.

I think it will depend on the foods your combining with the protein and the source of protein. We are meat eaters, and we have no way of storing protein like we do fats and carbs so we need a steady stream of them. You can't tell me that when we were hacking up animals back in the day to survive, that when we ate a huge chunk of meat and could only absorb 20g of protein form it?

I asked my Herbalist Friend about this, just for another opinion as he says he advises bodybuilders and used to lift himself. He said he advises people from 0.8 per Kilo to 1.8g per kg of bodyweight depending on what training and their activity levels.... he is a lover of fats, good animal as well as the good omegas, but he said he will start with about 40g of fat per day.. and work up from there.

he was also of the opinion that 40g of protein upon waking and post work out is a good amount but only up to 30g per meal is worth it. He says if the uptake is not sufficient then the aminos, including the likes of luecine will be turned into sugars in the body rather than going to do what they should in helping to build muscle. Along the lines of Gironda I would say.

[Cookie]

I asked my Herbalist Friend about this, just for another opinion as he says he advises bodybuilders and used to lift himself. He said he advises people from 0.8 per Kilo to 1.8g per kg of bodyweight depending on what training and their activity levels.... he is a lover of fats, good animal as well as the good omegas, but he said he will start with about 40g of fat per day.. and work up from there.

he was also of the opinion that 40g of protein upon waking and post work out is a good amount but only up to 30g per meal is worth it. He says if the uptake is not sufficient then the aminos, including the likes of luecine will be turned into sugars in the body rather than going to do what they should in helping to build muscle. Along the lines of Gironda I would say.

Which fits in with the Russian studies.

Something I need to eat more of at breakfast

[samurai69]

whilst talking about proteins at am, what about cottage cheese, is the casein going to have a slightly derrogatory effect as its breaks down slower than other proteins

as its easy to grab and eat when i get to gym


.but i feel quite tired after

[Cookie]

whilst talking about proteins at am, what about cottage cheese, is the casein going to have a slightly derrogatory effect as its breaks down slower than other proteins

as its easy to grab and eat when i get to gym


.but i feel quite tired after

Best eaten before bed